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Let the games begin...
November 4, 2009
Dear District Administrator,
Below is a synopsis of the significant changes to the Rules and Regulations for 2010 in the divisions noted, as of this date.
The exact wording of the Rules and Regulations noted will be provided in the coming weeks. It is expected that rule books will be available soon as well.
(Note: Unless noted otherwise, these changes apply to all divisions)
REGULATIONS
Regulation I (c) 8 - Note 1: Added a sentence stating that if a league elects to operate a Tee Ball baseball program only, it must use the league age determination date that is noted in the regulation. (Baseball only.)
Regulation IV (a) - Junior League: Added language making it clear that when a 12-year-old player is found to be ineligible under this regulation, that player and/or his/her team are subject to removal from the International Tournament by action of the Tournament Committee.
Regulation VI - Note 4: Added language making it clear that a resumed game or contest decided by forfeit does not constitute a "game" for the purpose of this regulation, unless one completed inning was played before the game ended or the game was forfeited.
Regulation XIV (e): Added language making it clear that alcohol is prohibited at the game site.
PLAYING RULES
Rule 1.10: Added language making it clear that any bat that has been altered must be removed from play.
Rule 1.11 (h): Added language making it acceptable for Junior, Senior and Big League players to wear metal spikes or cleats. (Added for softball only. This rule already applies to these divisions in baseball.)
Rule 1.11 (k): Added language making it clear that casts may not be worn by players and umpires during the game, and that persons wearing casts, including managers and coaches, must remain in the dugout during the game.
Rule 1.14: Standardized the limits on the size of fielders' gloves.
Rule 2.00 Definition of Pitch: Added language making it clear that a balk or illegal pitch, whether or not a pitch is actually delivered to a batter, counts as a pitch in determining the pitch count for that pitcher. (Baseball only.)
Rule 3.03 - No. 6: Added language making it clear defensive substitutions must be made while the team is on defense, and offensive substitutions must be made at the time the offensive player has her/his turn at bat or is on base. (Also added to Rule 3.03 for Big League.)
Rule 5.07, Minor League: Added language providing that the five-run rule may be suspended in the last half inning for either team, by option of the local league.
TOURNAMENT RULES AND GUIDELINES
Responsibility and Chain of Command: Added language making it clear that the Tournament Committee may impose penalties it deems appropriate, or may take action to correct a situation, regardless of the source of information.
Conditions of Tournament Play - Protests - C. Use of an ineligible player: Added language making it clear that any violation of Regulations may result in a team having an ineligible player.
SAFETY
Appendix A: Added Lightning Safety Guidelines.
Appendix D: Added Bat Modifications and Alterations Policy.
NOTES
Various Regulations, Regular Season Rules, and Tournament Rules: The deadline for submitting forms that deal with Tournament Eligibility - i.e., regular season player roster forms, Regulation II (d) and Regulation IV (h) forms, waiver requests, chartering, fee payments, combined teams and interleague play forms, etc. - is June 8, 2010.
Adults and Minors in Positions of Authority: Changes were made to Rule 2.00, Rule 4.1, Rule 9.01, Rule 9.03, Rule 9.04, and the Tournament Rules and Guidelines, making it clear that Minors may serve as coach or umpire under specific and limited circumstances as noted in each rule. (Summary: A coach who is 16 or 17 may only serve as a coach if the adult manager and another adult coach are appointed. A person who is not an adult may serve in a game as an umpire, including as plate umpire, provided one or more other adults are also umpires for that game. However, that non-adult umpire cannot be designated as umpire-in-chief for that game. The umpire-in-chief is not required to be the plate umpire.)
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Will_Bumgardner
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Outside of the new adult requirement, these rule changes are pretty tame. It's actually kind of nice to not have to worry about learning anything new this year.
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Manny_A
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Well, I for one find the 2.00 Pitch rule change to be a little bogus. If a kid gets called for an illegal pitch/balk without delivering a pitch, that now counts as a pitch? Why?
Now, I will agree that if it's pretty clear that a pitcher on the small diamond violates 8.05 for the sole purpose of intentionally walking a batter without delivering an actual pitch, THAT should count towards his pitch count. But it makes no sense to charge a kid with a pitch if he straddles the rubber without the ball, for example. It goes contrary to the purpose of the pitch count rule--to prevent arm injuries.
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On the "flip-side."
A pitcher let's go a fast ball.
Umpire calls "no-pitch" for whatever reason. Ex. batter not ready, ump not ready, etc.
Pitch is not counted altho the pitcher's arm was subject to some wear and tear.
Frank!
[ Modified 11/4/2009 3:21pm by Frank_B ]
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That was always my position.
Vindication is mine.
It makes sense - why allow a pitcher to commit a couple illegal pitches in order to wlak a batter and save the pitches?
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It goes contrary to the purpose of the pitch count rule
I would suggest that the purpose of the pitch count rule is to prevent lawsuits, not the safety of the players.
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Manny:
IMO, LL looked at the 60' game and forgot about the consequences of a 90' game.
Suppose in 60', they wanted to do an intentional walk but they didn't want the pitches to count. Simple answer: The pitcher could commit 4 illegal pitches, such as licking his fingers while engaged, 4 times. This had a rule to sanction against that, but now, those 4 incriminating events also count as pitches! This will require a set of 4 pitches thrown out of the zone, and these will go against his pitch count. [Clearly, this must have come from shenanigans to avoid adding to the pitch count and gaining an advantage somehow.]
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE: You call a balk in 90' because the pitcher fails to throw to first; or the pitcher drops the ball while engaged. These are clearly balks, but why should these count against a pitch count? F'rinstance, what about a pitcher who throws 20 times to first to hold the runner? Pitch count = 0! WUWTS?
Mike CVUA
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NA_Umpires
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Any link to this ?
The 2010 "HomeTown" was updated 2 days ago, but makes no mention of it.
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Hey Manny you have an old friend in Pennsylvania watching over you now buddy.
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Manny_A
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Ahhh, geez. Now I'm in REAL trouble...
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Lou_B
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The 2010 "HomeTown" was updated 2 days ago...
Really, the "A Year in the Life of Hometown Little League" posted on the LL Website Forms and Publications Page is still dated December 2008.
Where did you see (get) a newer version???
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Mr. Lou_B,
Really, the "A Year in the Life of Hometown Little League" posted on the LL Website Forms and Publications Page is still dated December 2008.
Where did you see (get) a newer version???
1. I believe NA_Umpires was referring to.....
http://www.littleleague.org/Assets/forms_pubs/asap/2010_Hometown_presentation.pdf
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Lou_B
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MIB - thanks !!!
Are you going to be at Congress again next year? Hopefully I'll see you there.
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Mr. Lou_B,
Are you going to be at Congress again next year? Hopefully I'll see you there.
1. Yes, my plans are to attend the Congress. Maybe we will be at the same Round Table. :o)
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It's actually a POWERPOINT presentation on Hometown -- I used the search function on "2010" -- and it showed up.
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Lou_B
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A person who is not an adult may serve in a game as an umpire, including as plate umpire, provided one or more other adults are also umpires for that game. However, that non-adult umpire cannot be designated as umpire-in-chief for that game. The umpire-in-chief is not required to be the plate umpire.)
I guess that answers the other thread about Youth Umpires.
You can have Youth Umpires but you need an Adult Umpire on the field (no two youth umpires with no adult).
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oldumpone
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Ahhh, geez. Now I'm in REAL trouble...
No, I intend to keep my big mouth shut and to just enjoy the bantor between you guys.
[ Modified 11/4/2009 6:44pm by oldumpone ]
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I mentioned this in a recent thread so I apologize.
I had a 17 year old Junior in high school as my umpire in chief this year (about 250 kids Tball thru Juniors). Why? Simply because no adult would volunteer for it. He was a former player in our league was interested.
I say - he did a great job! I would put him up against any UIC in our district. We had 14 Junior games, 45 Major games, and 42 Minor games (give or take a few) that needed umpires scheduled. I think there was one make up that he couldn't find umpires for.
Our area in NW Jersey is very rural (yea I know - hard to for some of you to believe but it could take over an hour to go N-S in our district and over an 1 1/2 to go E-W). A lot of adults umpire high school games. If I have to have an adult at every game then I am going to have to raise rates to compete with high school and softball (which many umpires alerady prefer since they claim the game is faster therefore they make the same with a shorter game).
Off the top of my head, one alternative is to require coaches to umpire games.
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Now this is strictly rumor. I was told that it came from the East Region meeting this past weekend. I won't necessarily believe it until I read it. I wanted to throw it out there to see if anyone else heard the same thing.
LLI may finally do away with the number of coaches based upon the tournament roster size with all teams now being allowed to have 3 coaches - BUT...
If a team has 12 or fewer players at a game, then each of the subs MUST play 6 consectutive outs and bat once before being removed for the starter. If a team has 13 or 14 players at the game, then the subs only have to play 3 consecutive outs and bat once before being removed.
Again - has anyone heard this?
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Will_Bumgardner
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Wow... talk about a major headache for the plate umpire!
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dtpoet:
IMO---not rumor. It was discussed by the powers-that-be running the ER clinic. Not sure if adopted by WP at this time.
My DA who attended that clinic reported exactly the details on the subject you posted,to me.
Frank!
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Let me break this one down:
However, that non-adult umpire cannot be designated as umpire-in-chief for that game. The umpire-in-chief is not required to be the plate umpire
The only thing the UIC on the field does is decide rule interpretation only if there is a disagreement among the umpiring crew during a protest. That's it.
So what's the point of having an adult on the field? To "protect" the Junior umpire from a physical altercation? Really? If your league is so out of control that adults are beating on the kids, ink in a book isn't going to solve your troubles.
Or is it to "save" the kids from hurt feelings? Heck, we train our kids specifically FOR confrontation. That's part of being an umpire, and standing up for yourself, no matter your size, is part of the job. If an adult has to come down to your rescue, that's counteracting all the life lessons we're trying to teach these kids through umpiring.
IMO, having Junior Umpires has nothing to do with baseball, and everything to do about teaching kids about responsibility, handling pressure, studying a subject and applying it in real world, adult situations. My job, as a local UIC, is to teach these kids these lessons, and make them better, stronger persons in the end. Baseball is just the theme for this course.
My league does not need an adult umpire on every game.
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Will_Bumgardner
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My league does not need an adult umpire on every game.
Serious question -- what do you do now? Same question to all of the leagues that now have this problem.
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We provide umpires in two divisions of baseball. 9-11 Minors, and 10-12 Majors. The minors are handled exclusively by our Junior Umpires, ages 11-15. I'll sometimes work a game with a rookie, to get them up to speed.
I have two adults that work Major games on a pretty consistent basis. A few more guys visit our park throughout the season, but it's to work with our kids, not just work games. Most of the Majors games are done by our Junior Umpires. I'd say 60% of the plates and 90% of the bases.
I work as a fill in, like when someone bails out at the last minute. But most of the time I'm on the balcony, watching both our fields, and taking notes for post game critiques.
So I don't need any adults in the minors at all. In fact, I'd rather not have them at all on the field there, unless I have a rookie that needs direct guidance. I'd much rather have one of my 15 year old JUTS graduates out there with them.
[ Modified 11/4/2009 9:42pm by Kyle_ ]
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One more thing, the only thing a game UIC does is make a decision on a rule application protest if umpire crew can't all agree. That, and make a decision if two umpires make different calls on the same play.
Some power, hunh?
No, WP wants to put a babysitter on the field with my Junior umpires. That's @##$%$%. They do just fine on their own in my league, thank you.
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Lou_B
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Kyle, I think there are a lot of leagues similar to yours (use Youth Umpires on Minors and a combination of Youth and Adults in the older age groups).
I think this is going overboard (mandating an Adult on every game).
I can't believe that having two 15-17 year olds that have been umpiring for 4-5 years doing a major game is a "problem" !!!
I suggest that everyone who thinks this is an over-reaction give their feedback to Williamsport (suggest using e:Mails).
Who knows, maybe they'll retract it, like they did with the white bat rule!!!
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Serious question -- what do you do now? Same question to all of the leagues that now have this problem.
My local league would have a serious problem getting umpires for Minors games with these new rules.
For Majors, they use primarily adult umpires, but I think some HS kids work an occasional game (perhaps in conjunction with an adult; I'm not sure).
The Minors games, however, are almost exclusively umpired by HS students. They've done it this way for years, and it is part of the social fabric of the league. The adults would much rather watch the games than umpire them, and personally I think that's just fine.
I'm no longer personally involved with the league (except for filling in for an umpire once in a blue moon), but I do know the UIC, and as far as I know there have been no serious altercations between the coaches and the youth umpires. The UIC makes it very clear that if a coach has a problem with an umpire, he is to deal with it appropriately during the game, and let the UIC know about the problem after the game. If there is any re-training to be done (like all umpires, the youth umps are good, but not perfect), the UIC will take care of it.
I'm going to try to remember to email the UIC tonight and make sure he's aware of this impending change.
- RichW
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Then Frank did you hear something along the lines that in 2010 they are going to take the 11s and 10s a step further and have a regional world series and then in 2011 have an actual world series for those age groups (or perhaps just with the USA)?
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dtpoet: No, didn't hear that.
What was reported to me by my DA-[as stated by me on a previous post]--below 11'S/12'S tournament teams who formerly stopped at State Level Championship venues would go on to championship Regional Level games; the venue would not be @ Bristol...but at a venue to be determined.
Not a World Series champion...but, a ER Champion would be crowned. [as opposed to what was a State Champion final]
Frank!
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SE already has a 9-10 "Regional" in WV.
Tournament of State Champions
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Lou_B
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The Tournament of State Champions is a "Special Games Tournament" in West Virginia, it is NOT a Regional Tournament (that is, it is not run by the the Southeast Region/Williamsport).
States Champions are "invited" and the tournament has grown in size (more states invited) since it started several years ago and includes some states that are not in the Southeast Region.
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Lou B;
You are correct. Didn't mean to imply that this was a true Regional, that was purpose of the "quotes". MOST of the teams are from SE but obviously there are other states from the general vicinity of WV.
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The Tournament of State Champions is a "Special Games Tournament" in West Virginia, it is NOT a Regional Tournament (that is, it is not run by the the Southeast Region/Williamsport).
Well, it may not be run by SE Region or W-port, but it sure does have their endorsement. In fact, the winner gets a LL banner, just like teams get at any other approved LL tournament. So I would say it really doesn't fall into the category of "Special Games."
States Champions are "invited" and the tournament has grown in size (more states invited) since it started several years ago and includes some states that are not in the Southeast Region.
From the website, the last couple of TOSCs only involved SE Region states, and the one planned for 2010 is the same. The first ones included Kentucky and Indiana, but not any more.
If it walks like a duck...
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Lou_B
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Well, it may not be run by SE Region or W-port, but it sure does have their endorsement. In fact, the winner gets a LL banner, just like teams get at any other approved LL tournament. So I would say it really doesn't fall into the category of "Special Games."
A Special Games Tournament is EXACTLY what it is.
If you wanted to hold a Tournament of State Champions for the 10-11 year olds, you would put in a Special Games Request to hold the Tournament. You would invite the states you wanted to invite and they could come from more than 1 region, it's up to you.
It would get "approved" (endorsed) by Little League but YOU would still be in charge of running it. The Region(s) and Williampsort would have "nothing to do" with running it.
For example, if you had a Protest, you wouldn't call the Region/Williamsport, you would answer it at the Tournament Site.
That's how WVa does their 9-10 Tournament of State Champions.
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Then Frank did you hear something along the lines that in 2010 they are going to take the 11s and 10s a step further and have a regional world series and then in 2011 have an actual world series for those age groups (or perhaps just with the USA)?
What I was told was that they are looking at taking the 9-10 year olds all the way to a World Series. I was also told they are thinking about doing away with the 10-11 year old Tournament and just going back to the way it used to be 9-10s and 11-12s (both of which would go to a World Series).
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Upon further (belated) discussion with my DA, who was in attendance at the subject ER clinic.....Lou's "take" is correct as to what was discussed at the ER clinic.
With one added point...
IF they go ahead with it...the 9/10's World Series will not take place until 2011. Regionals, 9/10's, will take place in 2010.
Frank!
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LOL
We wouldnt need this new umpire regulation and alot of others if LL would just consider (a) banning parents from the game site and (b) placing tape over the coaches' mouths during the game.
Who is with me for advocating these new regulations?
LOL
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"Adults and Minors in Positions of Authority:....A coach who is 16 or 17 may only serve as a coach if the adult manager and another adult coach are appointed. A person who is not an adult may serve in a game as an umpire,......"
So by my reading:
1) a coach has to be 16+
2)an umpire can be any age BUT if under 18 must have an adult umpire partner
Does this seem correct?
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Will_Bumgardner
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Well, yes... except if you have a coach that is 16 or 17, the manager and another coach must be adults.
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dtpoet
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Posted: 11/5/2009 8:05pm
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Re: 2010 LL Rule Changes
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Well after lodging my first complaint ER (in a semi-comical tone of course), it appears that perhaps some alternates could be reached.
Again, for my league, adult umpires are hard to come by. They are either to busy with high school baseball and softball OR being lured by soft ball on the premise that the pay is same for aa shorter game.
In hindsight, I can't really blame LL for the rule. The potential for liability is huge. It only takes one court case awarding a large sum of money to ruin a lot of common sense. This issue really isn't about on-the-field calls. It's about safety and injury.
One alternative may be to have a designated adult in charge of making any non-playing decisions that might have to be regulated to UIC or a manager. This is way, if you have say a minor umpiring, the adult designee would make a decision about moving am injured player, etc. The idea is similar to a tournement director at all-star games.
Anyway, the way I see it is that it's here. I can't complain about it. I just have to deal with it and come up with solutions.
One idea I am toying with is requiring all managers and coaches at the Minors, Majors, and Juniors to umpire at least 2 games during the course of the season. That would solve a lot of problem.
Anyway, can't belive no one has taken me up on my idea of banning parents and taping the mouths of coaches. Geesh. I thought that would be popular. LOL!
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Lou_B
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Posted: 11/11/2009 8:47am
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Re: 2010 LL Rule Changes
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The changes have been posted on the LL Website (click Link below).
By the way, this is what I sent to LL as my thoughts on something "more reasonable" for Youth Umpires:
Youth Umpires must be at least league age 10.
1. Youth Umpire(s) working a game with an Adult Umpire must be of a league age at least one year older than the oldest league age in the division of the game being umpired.
Example: To umpire a Little League (Major) game with an Adult Umpire a Youth Umpire must be at least league age 13.
In addition, in games with both Youth and Adult Umpires, the Adult Umpire shall be designated as the Umpire-In-Chief. The Umpire-In-Chief is not required to be the Plate Umpire.
2. Youth Umpire(s) working a game without an Adult Umpire must be of a league age at least 3 years older than the oldest league age in the division of the game being umpired.
Example: To umpire a Little League (Major) game without an Adult Umpire present, a Youth Umpire must be at least league age 15.
(for #2 I was thinking about 2 years older but I settled on 3)
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[ Modified 11/11/2009 11:46am by Lou_B ]
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Will_Bumgardner
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Posted: 11/12/2009 12:08pm
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The problem with #2 is that it's still against the rules. It doesn't matter what the age difference is, if you have a youth umpire on the game, you MUST have an adult umpire.
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Lou_B
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Posted: 11/12/2009 1:49pm
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The problem with #2 is that it's still against the rules. It doesn't matter what the age difference is, if you have a youth umpire on the game, you MUST have an adult umpire.
I didn't say it wasn't against the rules what I said was that this is what I sent to LL as a potential compromise.
Do I think LL will go to it - NO, but if a lot of people gave LL feedback (their ideas) maybe LL would reconsider!!!
As always, we will comply with the Rule (doubtful LL would approve a Waiver so why bother even submitting it).
That said, maybe if a few hundred leagues asked for a Waiver then LL might consider a change !!!
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Posted: 11/12/2009 12:23pm
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Youth Umpires must be at least league age 10.
Wow! Ten? Does anybody out there actually use kids that young to umpire? My old local league draws the line at 12, and I've always felt that was a bit too young.
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Lou_B
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Posted: 11/12/2009 1:14pm
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Wow! Ten? Does anybody out there actually use kids that young to umpire?
In our 7-8 Coach/Machine Pitch Division we sometimes use an Adult Umpire with "Young" Umpire (ages 10-11 mostly) to give the Young Umpires "Training" in a truely non-competative environment.
After a year or two they move up to Kid Pitch Minors (still working with an Adult) and eventually to Majors.
We don't have a lot of 10 or 11 year olds but if the kid wants to start "early" why not!!!
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Mark_S
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Posted: 11/12/2009 4:08pm
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My local league let new 12's do the 7-8 yr old machine pitch and AA Minors, some of the really good ones might get to AAA by the end of the season. My league UiC predecessors and I kept it so that the umpire had to be at least three years removed from the level they were umpiring at, similar to Lou_B's proposed Option #2. Most of that has fallen by the wayside and the league is now allowing league 13 to umpire Majors, primarily due to a shortage of adults.
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Mark__P
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Posted: 11/12/2009 1:20pm
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In our league, we typically start with 12 year olds on Minors games - generally paired with a more experienced 13-15 year old to start off. It would not be uncommon, at the end of the season, to have two 12-year olds work a minors game alone.
We used to have an end-of-the-year 7-8 year old (coach pitch) tournament for which we used umpires as young as 11 (typically in 4-man crews with a mix of ages within the crew).
As a note, when I first became aware of the youth umpiring program, the kids started umpiring no younger than age 13. But as the program became more successful and popular there was more and more pressure to allow younger umpires.
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NA_Umpires
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Posted: 11/12/2009 2:22pm
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My requirement is they be 13.
IMO 12 and under is too young...I share little League's concern that a child is too immature to umpire -- but a 13 year old is not a child. Not an adult either, but not a child.
If he's old enough to play in metal cleats according to Little League, then he's old enough to umpire a 9-10 Minors baseball game.
Being allowed to wear metal cleats implies a certain level of maturity and responsibility. You could hurt someone with those things.
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Kyle_
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Posted: 11/12/2009 2:59pm
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I had an eight year old on the field for 9-11 minors game this year. Only once, and it was Winterball, but he wanted to try it like his older brother. He did all right, and will be back for the real thing in a few years.
I have 13 year olds doing Major plates. Not all, mind you, but just a select few. I take 12s, or 11s if they beg me. I also put a 13 on a City championship plate, with a 14 year old on the bases. This same kid got invited to do Division work also, and did a 10-11 District dish.
It really depends on the kid, and the training.
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Kyle_
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Posted: 11/12/2009 3:21pm
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Why not leave it up to the local league to make these choices?
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