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gwood__1
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Posted: 7/13/2009 11:28am
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More DH Stuff
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FED rules. I have a couple more to go but here is the second one. Let's say we have the #4 batter DHing for the pitcher. Then I take a sub off the bench and replace the pitcher. The DH is now DHing for this new pitcher...correct? Now let's say I change pitchers a couple more times using new subs off the bench each time.
Now, am I correct that ALL of the players that have pitched and the current #4 batter that has been DHing for all of them are locked in to the #4 batting position? Therefore, the following would be true under FED:
1. No two of those players can be in the game at the same time.
2. If I want to re-enter one of the replaced pitchers to play 1st base, they will bat in the #4 spot because they are tied to the DH and the DH will now be on the bench AND the current pitcher will now bat wherever the original 1st baseman was batting.
3. The original 1st baseman is also on the bench now.
4. Both the original 1st baseman AND the starting DH players are eligible to re-enter the game in their original spots in the lineup.
Wow that's alot. I think this DH stuff puts 7.13 LL to shame.
Thanks.
[ Modified 7/13/2009 11:35am by gwood__1 ]
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DelawareBlue
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Posted: 7/13/2009 6:53pm
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You're getting hung up on positions and making this rule harder than it needs to be. You need to concentrate on players and their position in the batting order not their defensive positions on the field.
The DH and the player he is DH-ing for (and any of that player's subs) are tied to the same spot in the order. The DH can continue to bat regardless of what defensive subs take place involving the player he is hitting for. The only time the DH is "done" is if the defensive player he is DH-ing for bats.
Two things to remember under FED rules:
1. The DH and the player he is DH-ing for cannot both bat.
2. A starter and his sub cannot both be in the game at the same time.
1. No two of those players can be in the game at the same time.
A starter and his sub cannot be in the game at the same time.
2. If I want to re-enter one of the replaced pitchers to play 1st base, they will bat in the #4 spot because they are tied to the DH and the DH will now be on the bench AND the current pitcher will now bat wherever the original 1st baseman was batting.
Not necessarily. The DH is batting for that spot in the line-up. He is not batting for the "pitcher." The starting pitcher can re-enter the game defensively to play first base and the DH can continue to bat. The starting pitcher's defensive sub must leave the game.
3. The original 1st baseman is also on the bench now.
No, it's the player who came in defensively for the player who was the starting pitcher. The starting pitcher and the starting first baseman are not tied together in any fashion. The starting first baseman can go in to pitch and the starting pitcher can re-enter the game to play first base. The starting pitcher's current sub is the one who must leave the game (and he's done for the day). The DH can continue to bat because he is batting for that spot in the line-up not the starting pitcher.
4. Both the original 1st baseman AND the starting DH players are eligible to re-enter the game in their original spots in the lineup.
If a team uses a DH, they basically have 10 starters. Any starter can be replaced by a sub and re-enter the game once. (The sub is done because subs have no re-entry rights.)
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gwood__1
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Posted: 7/14/2009 6:56am
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Thanks Delawareblue. However, are you sure you're correct on #1 and #2?
1. No two of those players can be in the game at the same time.
You said:
A starter and his sub cannot be in the game at the same time.
Me again:
That includes ALL the subs that subbed through that spot. So in my example ALL the pitchers that were put in from the bench are connected to a single spot in the lineup. The one that the DH has.
2. If I want to re-enter one of the replaced pitchers to play 1st base, they will bat in the #4 spot because they are tied to the DH and the DH will now be on the bench AND the current pitcher will now bat wherever the original 1st baseman was batting.
You said:
Not necessarily. The DH is batting for that spot in the line-up. He is not batting for the "pitcher." The starting pitcher can re-enter the game defensively to play first base and the DH can continue to bat. The starting pitcher's defensive sub must leave the game.
I don't think this is correct. The starting pitcher is still tied to the DH for the entire game. So once the starting pitcher re-enters, he must go in to the lineup in the same spot as the DH..hence the DH is done for the day.
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bobjenkins
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Posted: 7/14/2009 7:12am
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" don't think this is correct. The starting pitcher is still tied to the DH for the entire game. So once the starting pitcher re-enters, he must go in to the lineup in the same spot as the DH..hence the DH is done for the day."
You are wrong. The starting pitcher can return to play defense and the DH can still be hitting in that spot in the batting order.
You seem to have a mish-mash of FED rules and OBR rules in your understanding of the DH. The FED rule is the simplest. For one spot in the lineup, there's both a DEFO (defensive only) player and a DH. Anytime the role of the DH is "active", then the DEFO can't hit. Anytime there's a player in either role, they are in that spot in the line up.
If the player who was the DH goes in on defense, then the ROLE of the DH is done for the day. The player who was the DEFO must leave the game -- it's the same now as if the team hadn't used a DH at all.
If the DEFO want to hit, then the player who was the DH must leave the game. Again, it's the same as if the team hadn't used a DH at all.
The player who was the DH and the player who was the DEFO can't both be on defense at the same time, nor can they both be in the batting order at the same time.
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gwood__1
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Posted: 7/14/2009 7:16am
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Yes. Thanks to Delawareblue and Bobjenkins, the light (although dim at times) has come on for me. Hopefully, my comments didn't confuse the issue for others.
Let me know if I should delete my incorrect statements so that others don't think I'm right.
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