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7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 10:41am

I came from an area that the kids threw from 41 feet to home plate. The area I just moved to they have the kids throwing from the top of the mound witch almost always ends up with the coach pitching because their rules are there are no walks. Is this how it is in most areas or I'm I the only one that thinks its just to far for this kids to throw and moving the mound up would solve the coach pitch issue?
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Rich_Ives
Posted on: 4/22/2010 11:16am

LL has that age group at 46'

PONY has 7-8 at 38' and 9-10 at 44'

Neither has a "no walks" rule.


Question  Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/22/2010 11:17am

I came from an area that the kids threw from 41 feet to home plate. The area I just moved to they have the kids throwing from the top of the mound
How far away is "the mound"?

What organization is it?
What size fields are these kids playing on?

Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 11:33am

The mound is at 46 feet, but these kids can't throw from that distance. It always ends up a walk witch the rules say no walks awarded. The coach then gives them three pitches they either hit or there out.                                                   
Where I coached last year we played on regular fields but the kids pitch for 41 feet at 6,7,8 years old.

Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: THECOACH__44
Posted on: 4/22/2010 12:43pm

6,7, and 8 yr olds pitching is stupid. Although I pitched when I was 7 (July baby). Of course, back in the day kids weren't the weak lil wusses they are today. LOL
Clowning  Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/22/2010 12:58pm

6 year olds pitching - where in Texas did you use to live !!!   ;o)

Many (maybe most) leagues don't start kids pitching at 6 - 7 or even 8.

Around here most leagues are Tee-Ball for 5-6, and Coach or Machine Pitch for 7-8. Kid pitch generally starts at 9.

Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 1:15pm

Well this league is lame, they'll move a 8 year old up to the 10 and 11 year old divison when he could play in a lower division. They stack the higher division with 14 kids per team and give the lowers 10 per team. The league would be more competitve if they didn't do this. IMO
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/22/2010 1:59pm

Is the league affiliated with a national organization (Little League, PONY, Cal Ripken, etc) or is it just a local town/city/county league?

They stack the higher division with 14 kids per team and give the lowers 10 per team.
Wow, seems "backwards" - most manager is the older (more competitive) divisions generally want fewer players !!!
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 2:26pm

I totally agree, It really makes no sense to me. Why move a younger kid up to basicly sit him on the bench when he could be one of the studs in a lower division. Yes they are a little league program. From what I see they have blended a little bit of the Cal Ripkin ruling into this league which again is "lame" to mix league rules. Had I known all this I would not have signed up to coach...wait this just in apparentlly now we are going to have a meeting this weekend to vote to remove stealing now...OMG! What is up with this league?...I didn't know I was coaching T Ball.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Kyle_
Posted on: 4/22/2010 2:50pm

If this truly is Little League Baseball, Inc., then the kids can't pitch at anything other than 46' at these ages. It's a safety thing. Be sure to tell your board this.

Many lower divisions of minors prohibit stealing, as the catchers and infielders just don't have the skills at 7-8 to deal with it. That's nothing new, and it makes the games go faster.

Why move a younger kid up to basicly sit him on the bench when he could be one of the studs in a lower division.

It's not about being a big fish in a little pond. It's about player development. Sometimes having the right younger player practicing with the older kids if FAR more beneficial than having him dominate the younger ones. Notice I didn't say "playing", as it's the practices where these younger kids develop their skills. Game time is just a lesser component of the over all experience.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 3:10pm

I see your point on the younger kid player in a higher division, but would you as a kid rather be a dominating player or one of the 6 outs and sit kids?

How does not stealing speed up the game? First two innings are 3 runs and end of inning. A kid gets on base steal to third and base hit scores him seems pretty quik to me.

What the problem is is that there are to many different ages in these divisions keeping the closer pitching from being use. I agree it is a saftey issue some 9 year old would throw pretty hard at that distance

In my opinion they need to stick to the age groups

7 and 8
9 and 10
11 and 12

Its easy play at your age...
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Kyle_
Posted on: 4/22/2010 3:22pm

... but would you as a kid rather be a dominating player or one of the 6 outs and sit kids?

I asked my son that, when he (not me) had the choice of moving up, or not. He wanted to play with the big guys, yet knew the reality of bench time. He came out a much better player in the end, not because of game time, but because of practicing with the big guys. Dominating little guys is cool for the parents, but doesn't get you better.

How does not stealing speed up the game?

You're not constantly trying (and failing) to throw runners out.

What the problem is is that there are to many different ages in these divisions keeping the closer pitching from being use.

That may be true, but it's not allowed in Little League. Your league is in violation of a basic safety rule if they do. Feel free to bring that up at the next meeting, if safety is important to you.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 3:58pm

Well if your son played in this league I would say that too... he would be stuck with a bunch of weak players.

Now the pitching distance, you may be right about little league ruling. But I don't think it is really a safety issue if the pitcher is no older than 8 years old. That's how the league I played in as a kids did it and the whole region for that matter. When all stars came every 7 and 8 year team pitched from 41 feet.



Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Kyle_
Posted on: 4/22/2010 4:13pm

It's never a safety issue until someone actually gets hurt. Then the parents discover that the kid should never have been this close to the batter to begin with, and your league has a problem. The problem is LL insurance won't back you up.

LL doesn't have All Stars for 7-8. Are you sure this is :
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 4:38pm

Yes they where and are a little league program and that logo was on all the uniforms

There was and still is a 7.8 year old allstar team


Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/22/2010 6:54pm

LL doesn't have All Stars for 7-8
Not true !!!

LL (Williamsport) does not have an "Official 7-8 Tournament" like they do for 9-10, 10-11, Jrs, Srs and BL but that does NOT mean that Districts can't get approval to have a "Special Games" Tournament for their 7-8 "All Star Teams".
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/22/2010 4:11pm

Yes they are a little league program. From what I see they have blended a little bit of the Cal Ripkin ruling into this league which again is "lame" to mix league rules.
I they are a Chartered Little League they can't "mix in" Cal Ripking rules with LL Rules. If they want to do something different from what the LL Rules and Regulations say they need an Approved Waiver from Williamsport.
That said, if no one says anything/complains then who's going to know !!!

OK, for LL, the allowed age breakdowns is as follows:

Tee-Ball: ages 5 - 7
* most limit it to 5 - 6)
* a league may allow 4 year olds to play Tee-Ball

Minors: ages 7 - 11
* 6 year olds who have played a year of Tee-Ball are allowed to move up to Machine Pitch or Coach Pitch Minors but NOT to Player Pitch Minors
* 12 year olds can play Minors with a Waiver

When it comes to Minors, your league can "split them up" anyway they want.
Many have a 7-8 Machine/Coach Pitch (A)
a 9-10 Player Pitch (AA)
and a 10-11 Player Pitch (AAA)

Majors: ages 9 - 12
* you can limit Majors to 10 - 12 or 11-12

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apparentlly now we are going to have a meeting this weekend to vote to remove stealing now
That's not uncommon in lower minors (non-competitive) where the kids are just learning) but is not very common in the upper (competitive) division of minors.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 4:43pm

There might be more divided up minor teams had they not stacked the AAA and Major teams.

We have 7,8,9 and 10 year olds all in one division
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/22/2010 6:49pm

There might be more divided up minor teams had they not stacked the AAA and Major teams.
We have 7,8,9 and 10 year olds all in one division

OK, so what exactly are the age groups/divisions in the league for:
Tee-Ball?
Minors?
Majors?

Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 8:12pm

T Ball 5,6,and 7
Farm 6,7,and 8
AA 7,8,9 and 10
AAA 8,9,10 and 11
Major 9,10,11 and 12

I dont understand why there are so many different ages in one division....oh wait I know, so they can stack the teams in the higher division. If you think about it must be pretty sad when most of your friends get picked up in the higher league but you can't play with them anymore cause your not at their playing level. I guess the league doesn't look at it like that...
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Kyle_
Posted on: 4/22/2010 11:17pm

You sound like this is some sort of conspiracy, and you are getting the short end of the stick, some how.

How are teams chosen, in your renegade league?
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: NA_Umpires
Posted on: 4/23/2010 4:53am

So, run for election to the Board of Directors at the next Annual Meeting. Get other like-minded people to do the same thing.

Get involved. Make a difference.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/23/2010 5:24am

I dont understand why there are so many different ages in one division
The age breakdowns in your league "are allowed" by LL.
Even so, I've never like "4 Year" divisions (eg: 8-11 or 9-12), too much variance at those ages.
That said, if they properly use "skill level" as the deciding factor for the divisions I guess it could work.
I've known some "very good" 9 year olds that could compete with some 11s/12s but even then I, personally, would have a hard time putting a 9 year old in majors with 11 and 12 year olds (unless it was a small league and they needed the 9 year old to fill out a team roster).

Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/23/2010 5:06pm

So now that this has got off topic I still wonder if there any leagues out there that allow a 7,8 year old division (other than the one I've been a part of for the last 25 years) throw from 41 feet?
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Mark_S
Posted on: 4/23/2010 6:33pm

Our 7-8 yr olds play machine pitch. Kids start pitching at 9 yrs.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Lou_B
Posted on: 4/24/2010 7:14am

I still wonder if there any leagues out there that allow a 7,8 year old division (other than the one I've been a part of for the last 25 years) throw from 41 feet?
41 feet is not a "common" distance for a mound. National organizations (LL, PONY, CR, Dixie, ...) all specify the pitching distance for the various age groups.
I do not know of any organization that has a 41 foot mound.


Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: bluezebra
Posted on: 4/22/2010 3:12pm

"The area I just moved to they have the kids throwing from the top of the mound witch almost always ends up..."

WHICH "WITCH" are you referring to?

Sarge
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: whynot2544
Posted on: 4/22/2010 3:16pm

Lol... its funny I was so waiting for that got to love when phones help you spell.
Clowning  Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Chalkline
Posted on: 4/22/2010 6:09pm

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Clowning  Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Chalkline
Posted on: 4/22/2010 5:25pm



"WHICH "WITCH" are you referring to?"

You know the area they just move to where the kids are throwing from the top of the moundwitch...Salem Massachusetts.
Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: roothog66
Posted on: 4/24/2010 10:42am

In Colorado we play USSSA and Triple Crown. 40' for 8yos, 46' for 9yos and 10yos, then a move to 50' for 11's. Not many Little Leagues here.
Clowning  Re: 7,8,9 year old distance from pitchers mound
Posted by: Chalkline
Posted on: 4/24/2010 11:49am



BZ has me locked in, i didnt shake it more then twice did i? You know what they say if you do.

"40' for 8yos, 46' for 9yos and 10yos, then a move to 50' for 11's"

I dont think that will happen in L.L.???
not in my life time anyway.