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Posted by: SoCalMadness
Posted on: 6/13/2009 5:27pm

Son is a above average hitter who is a big kid who is 7 playing with up. He wants a big Barrell can some one give me your opinion need a 28 inch.   I have been told Demaraini vodoo or TPS catalyst.

Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: DawgDays
Posted on: 6/13/2009 6:48pm

1) Be aware that many youth baseball organizations restrict bats to 2-1/4 inch diameter.

2) In many ways, it's the one the he's most comfortable with.

Did you say he's seven years old?
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: Callyjr
Posted on: 6/13/2009 7:51pm

I'm not a real big fan of letting a 7yr old use a big barrel. the sweet spot is like the whole bat and the kid will never learn to hit the sweet spot.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: roothog66
Posted on: 6/13/2009 10:38pm

Actually, Dawg, only LL restricts bat barrel size (I think - could be wrong). Everybody will have a different opinion. Can't go wrong with the Voodoo. Personally, I'm a ComBat guy. In any event, he's seven. Go to justbats.com and look for a good deal. Last year's models can be had for a song.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: DawgDays
Posted on: 6/13/2009 11:49pm

Hmmm. I thought Ripken and PONY also used 2-1/4 for the younger age groups.

Oh, well. I guess the point I was trying to make was to make sure a big barrel is legal for the league.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: Rich_Ives
Posted on: 6/14/2009 7:40am

Ripken abd Dixie also limit the bats to 2 1/4. A lot of independent leagues limit them too.

PONY and USSSA allow 2 3/4

AAU uses FED rules so they are limited to 2 5/8
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: MyTwoSons
Posted on: 6/13/2009 11:31pm

90% of the kids in our 8U league use big barrel bats. At 7 years my son was swinging a 29-19.5 Omaha with a 2-5/8's barrel. He is know as a power hitter and will hit anything from nose to toes. He is now nine and swings a 30-20 Stealth 2-5/8's barrel. He also swings a 30-25 Maple X-Bat for BP.

Here he is at 7 years:




WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: greenville_braves
Posted on: 6/16/2009 10:14am

Worth Prodigy Lithium, only won 90% of the travel teams here in the south use! try it and see for yourself!!! dangerous bat!
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: Methuselah01
Posted on: 6/14/2009 7:55am

This is dated info but when my boy was 7-8 I got him a little red Stealth. After he outgrew it we gave it to a neighbor. Since then it's been through a succession of "generations". I saw it at the park the other night still in service.

That said, I agree with the previous poster who said it's whatever they feel comfortable with. If a strong hitter does well early in the year using a particular bat that bat will suddenly become the "it" bat.   

Around here the exo grids are probably the most popular right now.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: MyTwoSons
Posted on: 6/14/2009 10:06am

Omaha's are EXo Grids that don't last as long
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/14/2009 9:11am

Speaking of big barrels, what kind of drop do you look for in a bat for a 13-y-o moving into LL Juniors for fallball? My kid currently swings a 31' bat in Majors that is minus 10 and I wish it was heavier. He does train a lot with a wood bat that's about minus 3.   Looks like most of the Senior League 2 5/8 bats on the market are -10 or -9. Sounds too light!
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: MyTwoSons
Posted on: 6/14/2009 10:09am

I think LL Juniors now require a -3. If your son is swing a -3 wood, by all means make the jump now. My older son swung a -5 Anderson Bat before jumping to the -3
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/14/2009 12:27pm

I think LL Juniors now require a -3.

This is incorrect. While LL Juniors now has a max diameter of 2 5/8" (which is the same as LL Seniors) they did not impose a "drop" limit (LL Seniors has a max of -3).

So as long as your LL Junior bat has a max diameter of 2 5/8", a max length of 34", and (if wood) not less than 15/16" at the smallest part (or 7/8" if the bat is 30" in length or less).Clear as mud?

Keep in mind, that if you match the requirements for Juniors and go with a -4 or more, he can't use it in 2 years if he makes it to LL Seniors.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/14/2009 12:28pm

Actually the -3 drop is in LL Seniors only, not Juniors. At least for 2009. Who knows about 2010. I would prefer not to buy a new bat every freaking year but I am thinking of getting him something in between for this one year.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/14/2009 1:19pm

Looks like most of the Senior League 2 5/8 bats on the market are -10 or -9.

Nope. The -3 is the limit for Senior LL.

Actually the -3 drop is in LL Seniors only

Now you have it right.


Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/14/2009 1:38pm

In the first sentence you quoted about "Senior League" I wasn't referring to the LL Senior Division but to the category that many if not most retailers use for bats made for this age group.

For example:

http://www.justbats.com/default.aspx?c=779&pg=0&l=3&k=
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/14/2009 2:08pm

In the first sentence you quoted about "Senior League" I wasn't referring to the LL Senior Division but to the category that many if not most retailers use for bats made for this age group.

What I "quoted" was your post. Retailers "categories" are irrelevant to LL rules. Sometimes they're accurate, sometimes not. A bat that is rated -9 or -10 (your post) is NOT a LL Senior bat. You did not indicate (in your post) that you were basing your post on anything other than LL rules. Doesn't matter what the manufacturer or retailer displays. Heck, I've got this lil bridge in Brooklyn that I'd like to sell to ya!

Of course (obviously) this > -3 bat can still be allowed in Juniors.


Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 3:49pm

That was a bit harsh, you also made some assumptions.

First of all the OP was talking about a big barrel bat for a 7-8 year old which is obviously not Little League. The senior league moniker was put on the "big barrel" bats before drop weight limits were imposed. And if he doesn't pay attention to what the manufacturers call it how is he going to buy the right bat?

Once you get to an age older than 12u and into the big barrel category, Little League is irrelevant because it is only a small part of a large market place. I have a Brooklyn" bridge for sale as well but it spans the San Francisco bay.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/14/2009 4:09pm

That was a bit harsh, you also made some assumptions.

Nope. I was responding to the post of johnc123. I was not responding to the OP.

First of all the OP was talking about a big barrel bat for a 7-8 year old which is obviously not Little League.

Really? There are no 7-8 year olds in the LL program? Since YOU (not me) made reference to the OP, do these kids just “appear” at 9 in the LL program or maybe (just maybe) LL has younger programs? (Not withstanding that my comment was to the post of johnc123).

The senior league moniker was put on the "big barrel" bats before drop weight limits were imposed.

Really? All of them? The “drop” limit was imposed 2-3 years ago. I assume you’ve checked all the retail outlets across the globe to enforce your assumption?

And if he doesn't pay attention to what the manufacturers call it how is he going to buy the right bat?

Duh, check the rule book, not the salesman.

Once you get to an age older than 12u and into the big barrel category, Little League is irrelevant because it is only a small part of a large market place.

LL, Ripkin, FED, AAU. all irrelevant, or just LL?

I have a Brooklyn" bridge for sale as well but it spans the San Francisco bay.

You have a bridge. What you don’t have is a grasp. You do a disservice when you post bogus information.

Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 4:26pm

I do this for a living and I have been for over 20 years.

There are no 7-8 year old players using a big barrel bat in Little League. when it comes to big barrel products Little League international is not a major player.

I named the first Senior Youth bat at H&B back in 1990.

You are just a "know-it-all" wannabe keyboard cowboy with more balls than brains. But hey, thanks for coming.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/14/2009 5:02pm

I do this for a living and I have been for over 20 years.

Well then, you should maybe get a job that you are good at. If you umpire youth baseball “for a living” then you do a disservice to your local youth. If you don’t and are espousing tips on your own experience then know this, you need more experience.

There are no 7-8 year old players using a big barrel bat in Little League

CORRECT! You’ve finally got one right (not a good average if you’re an umpire. But then again I doubt you are).

when it comes to big barrel products Little League international is not a major player.

Bingo! But your on call average still is abysmal. They’ve taken anything over 2 5/8” out of the equation. The post I responded to was for JUNIOR LL bats. Have another beverage!

I named the first Senior Youth bat at H&B back in 1990.

Perhaps you need to retire. Your reference to “naming a bat” does not justify your inconsistencies. Put it on your headstone.

You are just a "know-it-all" wannabe keyboard cowboy with more balls than brains. But hey, thanks for coming.

I got balls, I got brains too. You just have no clue. These peeps are looking for on spot, accurate information. Go name another bat. (no offense intended)

Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 5:11pm

You win.

Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -- Mark Twain
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: TG.
Posted on: 6/14/2009 5:36pm

I can tell the difference. I once called the president of a major bat company and Tumble answered the phone.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/15/2009 4:49pm

I once called the president of a major bat company and Tumble answered the phone.

Must be an enormous "major" company since he answers the phone himself.

Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: TG.
Posted on: 6/15/2009 7:08pm

He answered the phone when the call was forwarded to the president's office. It was my second call. The first time I called he was busy with a meeting in the board room.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/16/2009 9:37am

"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. -- Mark Twain"

Ha. I'm taking your good advice next time, Mr. Clemens and Tumblebug!

And I'm buying my son a 31' -5, if we can find one he likes.   If not I may just get him a -3. I threw him some BP on the big field last week and it was pretty striking for both of us how good strong line drives that would be clean base hits on the 60" diamond were outs at 90", especially when he pulled the ball instead of going back up the middle. He was actually more successful getting the ball out of the infield with his -3 wood bat than he was with his -10 LL Combat B1 composite.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: MyTwoSons
Posted on: 6/16/2009 10:16am

You are correct...If your son can swing the -3 almost as quickly as he can swing the -10, the mass of the -3 will send the ball further.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/16/2009 10:53am

True - and from watching some Juniors ball, it seems pretty apparent that the longer distance from mound to plate translates into pitching that is actually slower than in Majors.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/14/2009 6:57pm

What I was looking for was a recommendation on bat length/weight ratio for a 13-year-old playing LL Juniors, not a lecture on rules and semantics by some insecure a-hole with a burning need to impress people with his firm grasp of the same Little League bat regulations that everybody already knows. Sheeze. Now that you've educated everybody on this forum with your superior knowledge perhaps it's time to share your wisdom with the bat manufacturers and retailers. I'm sure they'll appreciate it just as much as we do.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 7:13pm

All of the pontification aside . . .

IMHO, the logical progression for a 13u player, even if he is playing in Little League juniors, is a -5 and 2 5/8 diameter bat. I would not recommend anything lighter. He will make the adjustment fairly quickly but you have a -3 product in the very near future as he prepares for High School. The faster you can get him to -3 the better.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: NathanQ
Posted on: 6/14/2009 7:39pm

Thanks!

Makes sense.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 7:48pm

-5 bats are not all that common. Give the Anderson -5 PXT and NXT a look.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: BlueBeak
Posted on: 6/15/2009 4:54pm

not a lecture on rules and semantics by some insecure a-hole with a burning need to impress people with his firm grasp of the same Little League bat regulations that everybody already knows.

You screwed up in your answers, did a Texas 2 step and shimmy-shuffled your way (finally) to the correct designations, and THEN you start name calling. Then you also claim you "know the LL bat designations".

Look at your posts, you didn't know and that's why I responded in kind. Grow up and open a book BEFORE you start shooting from the lip (or is it past your bedtime?).
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 3:37pm

"I would prefer not to buy a new bat every freaking year"

Would you also prefer that your son not get any bigger or stronger?
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: TG.
Posted on: 6/14/2009 4:07pm

First, it's not relevant your son is playing up at age seven. Second when my son played 7/8's he used a $25 bat from WalMart. He usually crushed the ball. At seven I wasn't concerned some kid with an expensive bat hit the ball fifteen feet further.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/14/2009 4:17pm

SoCalMadness,

There is no (performance) reason for a 7 year old to use a “big barrel” except that the other kids do. The reactivity of a big barrel does not actually work better than a 2 ¼ barrel bat at any age. The difference is in the structural configuration or weight distribution. In a bat of identical length and weight, a big barrel bat has a higher MOI. The MOI is a measure of how difficult it is to swing a bat. The higher the MOI the more difficult it is to make adjustments while in a rotational motion. This heavier in motion characteristic does not make a bat more effective unless the hitter has better strength. The only way the big barrel makes sense at the younger levels is if the player has better than average strength or is already highly trained.

I personally don’t recommend a big barrel bat for players under 12 but that is seemingly not what the marketplace wants. Taking that into consideration, Anderson Bat has designed two new “Senior League” bats that take into consideration this characteristic and build two new models (-8 and -10) that are designed to provide the younger player that wants a big barrel, but are not over-developed, the “hitability” that they need to be consistently successful and the performance (barrel reactivity) to also Go Deep. Look into the new KXR-8 and KXR-10 that will be available this month.

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Posted by: SoCalMadness
Posted on: 6/14/2009 9:32pm

Thank you for your advise. My son is big and very strong for his age. Whenhe plays with the 9 years old he is equal with those players.   He seems to be hitting one hoppers to the fence and was asking for a big barrell.   My daughters swing rockettechs and swear by them but I do not knoe baseball ball bats. Just looking for peoples suggestion.

Thanks
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: kal_
Posted on: 6/15/2009 10:06am

i guess i missed all the fun!

OP: hmmm... try to find a -10 drop with a 2-5/8 dia.

note: "big" barrels are 2-3/4 dia. youth leagues usually use 2-1/4 dia... older leagues usually use 2-5/8" dia.

2nd... good bat for a 13 yr old... as all answered... find a -5 drop (unless he's ready for a -3)... so he'll be accustomed to the heavier bat. andersons, demarinis, louisville's, etc... all make good products... personal preference will utimately decide.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: tumblebug
Posted on: 6/15/2009 11:11pm

One day soon 2 3/4" bat will go the way of the Do-Do bird. With all the grumbling I am hearing from the organizing bodies, it will not be long.
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: alvinm
Posted on: 6/16/2009 5:32am

"try to find a -10 drop with a 2-5/8 dia"

Kal, there are now a lot of 2010 model bats that are 2 5/8 diam/ minus-10:

Triton
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=9842.

Easton V12
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=9724

Easton Synergy Speed
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=9722

Easton Stealth Speed
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=9720

Combat B2 Composite
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=9669

Miken Freak 100 Comp
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=9588

Miken Heat
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=7983

Demarini Vexxum
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=8286

Mattingly Beast
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=8227

Rawlings Rush
http://www.justbats.com/product.view.aspx?p=8062
Re: WHAT IS THE BEST BIG BARREL BAT
Posted by: kal_
Posted on: 6/16/2009 7:11am

alvin... my little one... swings a demarani F3... 2-5/8, -10 drop... solid bat.

all the kids on his team that are his size don't swing their bats anymore (stealth, etc), they use his.

i'm sure others are good. i personally wouldn't recommend rawlings (sorry rawlings). i like rawlings gloves... rawlings bats on the other hand...

tumble - agree 100%... the 2-3/4 should go by the way side... no need for it.